Original document: http://www.diamonds.net/news/newsitem.asp?num=8629
A Diamond is a Diamond?
By Martin Rapaport
Posted: 10/8/2003 1:25 PM
Retired Brigadier General Carter Clarke, 77, founded The Gemesis Corporation
in 1995. The company, based in Sarasota, Florida, is the first to commercially
produce gem-quality synthetic diamonds grown using the High Pressure- High Temperature
(HPHT) process. Martin Rapaport interviewed Clarke to get an insider view on
this new facet of our industry.
Martin Rapaport: How do you make your synthetic diamonds?
Carter Clarke: We make our Gemesis-created diamonds similarly to how
the earth makes them, with high pressure and high temperature. We apply considerable
pressure approximately 850,000 pounds per square inch and about
1,600 degrees centigrade of heat and grow them over a period of about three-and-a-half
days. There are three parts in the core that goes inside the growth vessel:
graphite which is a source of carbon a metal catalyst and a diamond
seed, which can be a synthetic or natural diamond. When you apply the pressure
and heat, the metal melts and the carbon atoms from the graphite source filter
down, atom by atom, through that molten metal, and start to grow on the diamond
seed, which is, of course, carbon. The seed attracts the atoms from the graphite
and it grows in layers until the carbon source is exhausted.
We have 24 diamond growth vessels in Sarasota, Florida, growing diamonds up
to approximately 3.50 carats in size. We may be able to expand the size up to
about 5 carats in the present machines. We are concentrating on the larger sizes
right now because demand in the market is for over a carat, cut and polished.
So were growing an average of 3 carats in rough.
MR: How many carats do you produce a month?
CC: Right now, were producing about 200 stones, which is around 600 carats.
MR: What color and clarity are these diamonds?
CC: The colors are very nice intense or vivid yellows. We dont make fancy
lights or even the fancy yellows. Were basically in the intense and vivid
areas. We have done some colorless, but we are staying with the yellows now
because they are a major trend in the industry. Our next development effort
will probably be into the blues.
The clarity is normally VS to SI. Were not going to send out any imperfect
clarities. Sometimes, we grow a VVS, and occasionally an IF.
MR: Have you sent any of these diamonds to grading laboratories?
CC: Yes. We normally send the larger stones to the European Gemological Laboratories
(EGL) for certification. Of course, they know we have grown them. On occasion,
our customers have sent them to Gemological Institute of America (GIA), and
it has been able to identify them. Almost 100 percent of the time, the stones
can be identified using the De Beers DiamondSure machine that identifies their
photoluminescence.
MR: Are your diamonds magnetic?
CC: Some are, some arent. It depends on how much of the metal remains.
Most of the metal is on the exterior of the diamond and gets polished off. Occasionally,
there is some inside and, if sufficient, it can be detected magnetically.
MR: How did you discover the process?
CC: This technology was offered to me in Russia. Ill never forget the
date, it was December 5, 1995. A Russian scientist asked, Are you interested
in diamonds? Frankly, I thought he was going to ask me to invest in a
natural mine somewhere in Siberia. Instead, he introduced me to another scientist
who showed a blueprint of a device that would create diamonds. Initially, I
was very skeptical about it.
MR: How reliable is the process? Is the color consistent?
CC: Its taken us from that time December 1995 until now
to be sure that we can make these diamonds consistently in the proper size and
quality. We would have liked to have made them much sooner than this, but its
taken us almost eight years to perfect the process to where we now get consistent
growth,consistent quality and consistent color.
MR: What is the cost to create a carat of these diamonds?
CC: We dont discuss our costs, but its not inexpensive. This is
a very delicate process with about 500 parameters that have to operate properly
for the diamond growth to be correct and produce the size and quality we want.
This is not mass production; each stone is individually grown and each machine
has its own identifying characteristics. There is still some black art associated
with all of this. You cant just turn on a switch and these things grow
and come out the way you want them to. It doesnt work that way.
MR: What price do you charge for the diamonds?
CC: We price our stones to maximize value to the consumer. We compare them
to other stones. We are well below prices for similar intense and vivid yellows
from a mine, which are extremely expensive. We are slightly below prices for
colorless G/ VS qualities. We are priced above the treated and the radiated
stones, and were well above simulants such as cubic zirconia and moissanite.Our
goal is to expand the market for high-quality yellow diamonds by making them
available to people who otherwise couldnt afford them.
MR: How are your prices compared to HPHT-treated diamonds?
CC: If you are referring to yellows, were typically priced a little bit
above those. People show them to us and say they can buy cheaper, but when we
look at them, theyre nowhere near the color or the clarity that we have.
The color is so important in a yellow. We have vivids and intense colors, rather
than the washed-out colors. Most of the HPHT that Ive seen have a greenish
tinge to them.
MR: How do you distribute your diamonds?
CC: Our production is still very small. With all of the publicity that has
come out, weve had inquiries all across the board, from consumers, retailers,
jewelry manufacturers and jewelry designers virtually a cross-section
of the industry.
Our marketing plan is to establish a network of medium to high-end independent
retailers across the U.S. that will form a retail partnership with
us. We will support them and some of their advertising and help train their
people on site. Retailers would be dedicated to selling our diamonds and explaining
what they are to consumers.
There has been a great deal of recent publicity about our product. We have
been featured on The Today Show, CNBC,CNN-FN, ABC Good Morning
America and ABC World News Tonight. As a result, consumers
are becoming aware that our product is available.
MR: Are you concerned that your diamonds may be sold without proper disclosure?
CC: Id like to make it clear that we are very concerned that our diamonds
are NOT passed off as naturals. We will take every precaution to make sure that
this does not happen.
We are very proud of what we make. This is in essence the first mine of gem-quality
diamonds that is above ground. We dont want anyone to misrepresent the
fact that our diamonds are made by man in a laboratory-controlled environment.
We will be marking our larger diamonds and all our advertising will clearly
disclose that our diamonds are laboratory-created. We want the retailers we
deal with to be very reputable and make very clear disclosure.
We feel there is a strong market segment for our diamonds. We are expanding
the accessibility of fine yellow diamonds. We are not detracting from anybody
elses sales. Customers who otherwise could not afford a high-quality yellow
diamond now will be able to have one. We want all of our larger stones to be
certified. Right now, were using European Gemological Laboratory (EGL).
So we certify, we mark, we advertise and we are very strong in our desire that
these diamonds be sold for what they are: a high-quality diamond, made by technology,
in a laboratory-controlled environment.
MR: So, you want to disclose that your diamonds are man-made?
CC: Yes. We have to do it and we definitely want to do it. It is a Federal
Trade Commission requirement that there be some identifier along with the word
diamond that indicates that this is a stone thats not mined from the ground.
MR: What are you doing to prevent misrepresentation?
CC: First of all, we will be identifying all our diamonds properly in all of
our advertising. Two, we want them certified by a reputable gem lab. Three,
we want to mark the diamonds so that they are easily identifiable. And number
four, probably the most important of all, is that we want to deal only with
reputable jewelers that will sell the stones for what they are and sell them
only to people who are not going to set up a secondary market for them and pass
them off for naturals.
MR: Is detecting synthetics very easy?
CC: No; sometimes they get misidentified even in the labs. Surprisingly, we
have had that experience even though we tell the lab they are lab-created when
we send them in, so there should be no question concerning source. There are
two or three techniques to identify a lab-grown diamond. Normally, the retailers
are not able to do that themselves, but at the labs, it is possible, but not
100 percent!
MR: Are you concerned about competition from other synthetic diamond producers?
CC: I have a different philosophy than many others. Competition will be beneficial
to the extent that it extends the acceptance of our product in the marketplace.
I didnt notice IBM going out of business when many other computer manufacturers
came into the marketplace.
Ill give you a good example of what we want to do. We want to be like
Mikimoto. Mikimoto set a standard in the cultured pearl business. When you walk
the streets of New York, the only pearl brand you see is Mikimoto. There are
many other pearl manufacturers in Japan, China and the South Seas, but Mikimoto
has established itself as the high-end quality brand for cultured pearls. And
thats what we want to do.
We want Gemesis to be known as the top of the line. We want to stay ahead of
the marketplace as best we can with our research, with different colored stones,
with bigger sizes. Our goal is to establish the high-quality standards and remain
there. We expect competition. I dont think theres any doubt that
as we become more successful, other people will come in. I think competition
will be beneficial and encourage us to maintain a high standard.
MR: Whats the name of your brand?
CC: We call our product the Gemesis cultured diamond.
MR: How long will it take to increase your production ?
CC: Our production increase will be strictly based on consumer demand. We have
had over 4,000 inquiries in the past four weeks alone. As our product becomes
more known and demand increases, we will increase our production capacity to
match. We only have 24 machines now, but we are ready to put in up to 250 machines
at our current facility.
MR: You have used the term cultured diamond. Is this like cultured
pearls that are differentiated from natural pearls?
CC: Yes, thats the idea behind it. The reason we selected that term was
that we felt it would be more easily understood by the consumer, because they
are familiar with what a cultured pearl is. The word cultured is well understood.
We wanted consumers to be able to easily understand what our product is. The
Federal Trade Commission (FTC) has indicated that the word synthetic
is misleading because most people think that synthetic means fake.
Well, this is not a fake diamond; its a diamond made in a
lab rather than in the ground. We wanted a word that would be easily understood
by the consumer and be accepted by the consumer and all indications are that
thats what is happening. I might add that while the FTC has neither approved
nor disapproved the use of cultured, the commission did state that
there was no evidence that such usage was misleading. After all, that is the
crux of the matter.
MR: What have consumers been telling you?
CC: By and large, the consumers are happy that they can get a high-quality
yellow stone at a price that they can afford and that were making those
diamonds more accessible. The primary response were getting is Finally,
I can afford one. I got one call from a Coast Guard seaman, who said my
bride-to-be has always wanted a yellow diamond. I would have never been able
to afford one, but now you can help me out. These are the kind of responses
weve had.
MR: Do you think that consumers are going to care about the fact that these
diamonds are man-made?
CC: So far, the indication is no. CNBC did an online poll and 71 percent of
nearly one thousand respondents said it was perfectly acceptable to them. The
response was a diamond is a diamond. In Wired Magazine, there was
a jeweler out in Utah who made the comparison that If you grow an orchid
in the steamy jungle in Central America or you grow one in a hot house in California,
its still an orchid, its still beautiful and the people that wear
it still love it where it came from is not an issue. I agree with
that.
When people ask me about acceptance, I think sometimes they forget to realize
that we are in the technology age. Consumers are used to having technology bring
them advantages that they otherwise couldnt afford. It wasnt many
years ago that there werent any computers in the home, or cell phones.
Whether its in the home environment, the office environment or the pleasure
environment, technology has brought a higher level of acceptability of luxury
items to many Americans. This is exactly what were doing. Our diamond
technology is just another example of bringing better things to people.
MR: Are you going to be selling directly to consumers?
CC: No. Our program is to go through established retailers that have an established
consumer base. If we deal with a reputable retailer, we wont have a misrepresentation
problem and that is our primary focus right now to go through the retail
chain. We want to work with the jewelry industry. Were not trying to work
against them. We feel that there is a specific market segment for our product,
something that is not available today, something that can add onto the business
of a retailer, add onto his revenues and his bottom-line profits. If we establish
ourselves with the right retailer, we will get the right response from him.
MR: Are you interested in developing your diamond-production technology for
the computer industry?
CC: When we introduced this technology to scientists at the University of Florida,
where they were doing Chemical Vapor Deposition (CVD) of polycrystal diamonds,
their response was, My gosh, this has great applications in the electronics
field, particularly semiconductors. Ultimately, electronics might be another
source of revenue for us but its a long-term process. Our current objective
is to establish a firm business with a solid source of revenue and a positive
cash flow.
MR: What do you think about the CVD process?
CC: We are very familiar with that. CVD is a process more applicable to the
electronic field than the jewelry field because those diamonds that are grown
are very flat. However, you could cut them into melee and use them for accessory
pieces.
MR: Will CVD diamonds compete with yours?
CC: They might, particularly if they ever grow larger diamonds. Even if they
are competition in the melee field thats fine, thats what
I said earlier, competition will expand the knowledge of this new category of
product.
MR: Who owns your company?
CC: I founded it with my long-time partner, Tom Buffett, who was a very successful
U.K. businessman. Most of the people who own shares are old friends of ours.
We had a public company prior to this, and many of the investors in that public
company invested with us. Gemesis is owned by just a small handful of private
investors.
MR: How many people work for you?
CC: We have about 22 employees. Its not a very labor-intensive process.
The apparatuses are all computer-controlled now, which is something good old
Yankee ingenuity has brought to the process.
MR: Where do you cut these diamonds?
CC: We cut them all over the world: the better ones in New York, and some of
the smaller ones in India. We have cut in Israel, Thailand and even in Vietnam,
which surprised me since I was in the Army there.
MR: You were a general in the Army?
CC: Yes, I was in the Army and retired early as a brigadier general. I had
an entrepreneurial itch that I had to scratch.
MR: Is Gemesis profitable yet?
CC: No, but we hope to achieve profitability this coming year. Up to now, its
been mostly research and development. We are just making the transition from
a developing company thats had to develop a product, and get the quality,
consistency and yields that we needed. That takes a lot of money, time and effort.
We now have a product that is gaining great acceptance here and so we expect
to move to profitability.
MR: How do you think the diamond industry is going to develop around your product?
CC: I dont see us having a major impact on the diamond industry as a
whole. Those who resist change may not welcome this new category of product.
Certainly, though, we should have a very positive impact on the jewelry retailer,
who can expand his business, and on the consumer, who will have unique access
now to high-quality yellow diamonds.
MR: Do you like the jewelry industry?
CC: I love it. Its one of the most fascinating things Ive ever
been involved in.I liked and enjoyed the military. Since my dad spent 39 years
in the Army, I was familiar with it. But this is so different and challenging.
Lets put it this way, what other material in the whole world would you
rather be making than a diamond? I couldnt think of any. Thats what
got me excited when I was flying back from Moscow to New York after the Russian
first showed me the blueprints of this diamond-making vessel. At first, I was
very, very skeptical and I thought, Im not going to get involved
with this thing. By the time I landed in New York, I was saying to myself,
I wonder if that vessel, or apparatus as he called it, could really make
a diamond. And then I got to thinking that if it could, what a wonderful
thing to get involved in. So thats how it all progressed. In retrospect,
this is what the American entrepreneurship is all about, isnt it?
MR: Do you have any message to the diamond trade?
CC: I want the trade to understand that we dont feel that we are in opposition
to them. We want to be a respected member of the jewelry industry. We will do
everything necessary to maintain the integrity and the high standards of that
industry.
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